Canon has changed how fill-in flash works with the EOS R and EOS RP. This affects Aperture Priority (Av), Program (P) and Flexible Priority (Fv) modes.
If you use a Speedlite on the EOS R or RP cameras, and use automatic exposure modes, P/Av/Fv then the camera controls fill-in flash differently to previous EOS cameras. The changes are probably designed to mean that photographers will get less shots with very slow shutter speeds when using flash. The flip side is that if you used to use Av mode, you’ll see it giving darker backgrounds behind your flash subject in low light situations.
Here’s the effect in pictures…
EOS R/RP fill-in flash
Sync speed restricted to 1/60s with flash
1/60s, f/4, ISO 50
DSLR fill-in flash
Unrestricted sync speed
1/5s, f/4, ISO 50
As you can see even the best models move at 1/5s shutter speed, check her left hand. Also look at how the space outside the window looks. The new method will make backgrounds darker due to the limited shutter speed, whereas the old way would aim to achieve a balance between flash and ambient light in aperture priority mode, even if camera shake was likely.
Here’s how the new method operates
I think the change has been done to avoid camera shake when taking casual flash photos.
The EOS R / RP both default to using a shutter speed from 1/60s to their sync speed when a flash is used and the camera is set to Av/P/Fv modes. Sync speed for the EOS R is 1/200s and EOS RP is 1/180s. If you are taking photos in daylight, and using flash for a little bit of fill-in you’ll see no difference on these cameras. However if you then move to a darker environment and keep working in the same way and are using Av or Fv with automatic shutter speed, then you’ll see that the backgrounds behind your flash subjects are much darker. To avoid camera shake due to the lower light, the limit of 1/60s applies and that stops the camera from nicely balancing the ambient and flash light. This is how program used work on previous cameras, and how it works on the EOS R series models.
However you can still use high speed sync if your flash supports it.
Make it work the old way…
Fortunately there is a setting in the camera flash menu to mostly change back to the old way of working. You can choose to set the slow synchro setting to 30s – sync speed. However this applies to P/Av/Fv modes equally. So you’d get aperture priority working the old way, but now program mode will also happily give you slow shutter speeds to achieve balanced fill-in flash.
Even better you can choose the 30s to sync speed option and still high speed sync will be usable if your flash has it, and the automatic shutter speed requires it.
The sync speed only ‘gotcha’
EOS R / RP cameras will also let you select the sync speed only option (1/200s / 1/180s), and if you choose this then you’ll stop being able to use high speed sync. Just like it used to.
EOS R / RP
1/60s – sync speed with P/Av/Fv while using flash is the default
30s – sync speed is an option that applies to P/Av/Fv
Fixed speed option stops high speed sync in P/Av/Fv modes
SLR & DSLR
30s – sync speed is the default for Av with flash
1/60s – sync speed is the default for P with flash
Option to set either 1/60s – sync speed, or fixed speed stops high speed sync flash working in Av mode only


M / Tv modes
These don’t change since you are selecting the shutter speed, so it’s up to you. The settings you make for the flash synchro speed don’t limit high-speed sync or the shutter speed in these modes at all.
Fv mode
As you can see in the screenshot, Fv mode isn’t mentioned, so I did some tests because I like to know how stuff works.
Since flexible priority (Fv) mode can work like program where you let the camera determine shutter speed, aperture, or like aperture priority where you let the camera determine the shutter speed, then it would follow P and Av. However if you manually set the shutter speed then you’re making Fv work like manual or shutter speed so the limits don’t apply.
I think this might be a good time to explore Fv mode. In bright light you can use Fv mode with a selected aperture and let the camera determine the shutter speed. So the camera works like Av and the shutter speed is not going below 1/60s. However if you want a little slower shutter speed to let some more of the ambience show in a darker environment you can choose to select a suitable shutter speed – taking your own control. At that point you’ve broken free of the 1/60s limit, and could try handholding 1/30s or slower if needed.
History lesson: fill-in flash
I wrote a couple of articles about fill-in flash and high-speed sync before, they might make interesting reading 🙂
Fill-in flash with program & aperture priority modes
Did you disable high speed sync without realising it?
Does this mean I can’t do slow flash sync with the RP on shutter priority mode ?
Indeed there’s no restriction in shutter priority (Tv) or manual (M) modes, so you can use slow sync shutter. I wrote that in the text above too, just below the info screenshots.
Brian/p4pictures
I’m not finding this to be the case with the R. Even when choosing 30s-sync the logic will attempt to find an evenly exposed image. My test was to use identical settings in Manual Camera and Flash mode. I varied the exposure from 1/15 – 1/160 and got essentially the same results. I don’t like it at all. I’ve read the manual and searched online for hours now. If I’m missing something it’s right in front of me!
I’m a bit confused but let me try to work through what you wrote.
The camera will try to balance the flash and ambient exposure if your flash is set to E-TTL automatic exposure and the camera is set to program or aperture priority. If you have enabled the 30s-sync range then it does balance flash and ambient even in lower light levels.
If you are using manual exposure on the camera, this setting for the flash sync speed does not apply. It then becomes down to you to determine the exposure for the ambient light with your choice of shutter, aperture and ISO. Please note if you have auto ISO set then the camera uses ISO 400, except for some odd circumstances. If you are using manual flash mode, your flash shows M on the display, then you are also controlling the flash element of the exposure. This post is about how program and aperture priority respond differently with automatic flash exposure.
Brian / p4pictures.
Great article! I have the Canon RP and for some reason I keep getting this dark line in my images when using shutter speeds above my sync speed (i.e. 1/600) when using off camera flash and when it’s in the hotshoe. My camera is set to manual mode and my flash is set to High speed sync, however I keep getting this issue. Has this happened to you and if it has is there away around it? I know that on the Canon R you can disable the electronic shutter but on the RP you can’t.
I’m using a Godox TT600 flash.
Hi Brian,
I think you may have got a bit in a twist here.
Firstly, I’ve just checked on the Godox website about the TT600 flash. The manual says it only works in high speed sync when used off-camera and triggered by one of their suitable high-speed triggers on the camera. In fact it explicitly says that the flash won’t work in high speed sync mode when used on the camera hotshoe. So in reality you aren’t getting high speed sync at all with the flash on the camera. Hence the black line.
Sync speed for your camera is 1/180s according to the Canon manual, think you have a typo there.
Lastly the EOS RP actually has a mechanical shutter, it just doesn’t cover the sensor when you switch the camera off, where as the EOS R does. The only way to use an electronic shutter – for silent shooting – is to select silent shooting mode from the scene mode on the EOS RP. The EOS R has a separate menu setting for the silent shooting (electronic shutter mode) and it can be used in many modes.
Hope that clarifies things for you.
Brian/p4pictures
Hi, can the Canon RP work up to 1/8000 along with a Yongnuo 685?
The EOS RP shutter only goes up to 1/4000s so 1/8000s is not going to be possible. Looking at the specifications of the Yongnuo 685 I’d say it should work fine on your camera in other respects.
Brian/p4pictures
Hi
i noticed the flash output lower in the RP than my 7D
to get the same exposure, i had to increase the flash exposure comp. +1 on RP
same ISO,shutter,aperture on both, flash bounced
also the AF assist grid does not active , (YN685) only the main flash pulses
There might be a difference in exposure between the EOS RP and 7D as their flash metering – a function of the camera body – is different. I’d check to make sure your flash has the latest firmware in to see if that fixes the missing AF beam, or check your camera settings. It is possible that as the EOS RP can see in the dark better than the EOS 7D it doesn’t need the AF pattern as often.
Brian / p4pictures
I just bought Canon Speedlite Transmitter ST-E3-RT for my canon EOS R along 430 EX-III flash gun. Noticed that canno fire flash at all, is it EOS R issue ?
Hi Jacek,
Are the green link lights illuminated on the Speedlite and the transmitter? If not then you need to make sure that the transmitter and the flash are on the same radio channel, and have the same 4-digit ID code in them. You also need to set the Speedlite as a radio slave. If this is ok, then…
Have you disabled the flash firing in the camera External Speedlite control menu, flash firing should be set to Enable?
Are you using silent shutter on the EOS R? This cannot be used with flash, and flash won’t fire when the camera is set silent shutter.
Hope that helps, since my ST-E3-RT and 430EX III-RT certainly work just fine with my EOS R.
Brian/p4pictures
I just bought Canon RP and I’m trying to use rear/second curtain sync. Is it possible?
Hi Andy,
Yes the EOS RP supports 2nd curtain sync, with a suitable flash on the hotshoe. You need to set 2nd curtain in the camera’s external flash menu or on the flash itself. Within the Canon wireless system it is not possible to do 2nd curtain sync, though some third party trigger systems do support it.
One critical thing is the shutter speed, if your shutter speed is faster than 1/90s then the camera does 1st curtain sync regardless of wether you have 2nd curtain sync or not.
Brian / p4pictures
On the EOS RP I am using Godox trigger to a Godox external flash. there is no option for rear curtain sync in the Camera so I am setting this in the trigger. Even though I am in 1/3rd shutter speed there is no rear curtain sync to flashes immediately.
So I guess it will work only on the hot shoe, and I am not sure if I can set this up in the GODOX 86011 C. Please help me on this.
Hi, this is great article.
Question: IN FV mode, Auto ISO maxes at 1600 with a Speedlite. Anyway to fix this?
Hi Rik,
That’s the limit Canon built in to the camera programming. If you choose to select your own ISO, you can increase it beyond ISO 1600, but the camera won’t do so with AUTO ISO.
Brian / p4pictures
Hi Brian
I have the EOS RP. is there a way to speed up the fps rate while using flash as soon as I set my speed to High Speed continus as soon as I switch the Flash trigger on the camera slows to about 2 fps. is there a way to fix this
Regards
Ian
Hi Brian. Thanks for the excellent blog. Have you tested how the R6 works with respect to the fill-in flash- is it just like the R and RP?
Hi Thomas,
Yes for the R5/R6 it’s the same as R/RP, and also other EOS DSLR cameras launched since EOS R, eg EOS 90D / 250D / 250D
Brian / p4pictures
I was able to enable rear/second curtain sync with the Godoc TT350C on the RP. (I had updated the firmware on the flash for R and RP compatibility.
I can’t remember exactly but changed the flash to Multy and when I changed it back I saw I had an ETTL option. I selected it and like magic, the rear curtain sync option appeared.
Hi Brian, thank you for the very informative article.
I come from using Eos 5d mk 1 and trying out the Eos RP. I tried but did not manage to find any setting that can adjust the external flash exposure compensation. Is there such a feature in the RP?
Hi Koah,
Yes flash exposure compensation can be set on the EOS RP. Normally it will be one of the options that can be set from the M-Fn button. Personally I set flash exposure compensation on the Speedlite or transmitter on the hotshoe. For me it makes more sense to use the dial on the flash / transmitter to change flash compensation and change ambient compensation on the camera.
Brian / p4pictures